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[yanni]

Originally Posted by IDNer

What's make you so angry yanni? Did I said anything GTFOH?!

I'm not angry, I'm simply amazed!

You essentially told me to "piss off" because I was questioning the posts you and Giant made.
Who gave you the right to tell members here what to do? Are you a mod? Part owner?
It would be different if Dave or Steve or Jose told me to go open my own forum.

I was just being more direct in my approach than you. Apologies if I offended you.

[jacksonm]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

I tell you now where MJ sits on all this. The guy is not a domain speculator at all. His portfolio is self-financing. He is fortunate in as much as Finish will allow you to do this as the market is a bit further forward than most. It does, however, put him in a weak position to discuss risk as this is a foreign concept to him.

Wrong. My 500 or so latins (finnish, swedish, danish, german, turkish?) pay the bills for themselves and the other 600+ (russian, arabic, chinese, japanese, korean) domains. In the beginning, I didn't have any latins, but I got tired of losing money on my portfolio and decided to do something about it.

Being a speculator doesn't mean that you need to operate in the red. In fact I could not continue to grow my portfolio to the size it is now if I only operated in the red. My goal is to make money, not endure personal pain and hardship.

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[Rubber Duck]

That is one perspective, but operating in the Black has only been an option for about the last 12 months or so and then only to the lucky few. The big winners here will have operated in the Red for years, even TDC and the Snows. In my book those that are not prepared to go significantly into the Red at this stage of the game just lack any concept of what this game is really about. Obviously it is sensible to increase your exposure by generating revenue, but trying to run a balanced book at this stage is pure cowardice. And the reward for that is failure.

[alexd]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

In my book those that are not prepared to go significantly into the Red at this stage of the game just lack any concept of what this game is really about. Obviously it is sensible to increase your exposure by generating revenue, but trying to run a balanced book at this stage is pure cowardice. And the reward for that is failure.

Thats one point of view - but what about those that might already have a family to support, mortgage to pay, kids to put through college, etc, etc. If you were able to go into the red and stay there for several years on the basis of your beliefs - good for you.

However, I think its bullsh*t to say that those who don't go into the red, and who don't put their IDNs before family, health and general living, etc, are people who "lack any concept of the game".

I wish I could go absolutely nuts and go and reg 1000 names right now, but for me, there are too many other things that are more important in my life, than struggling financially and being "in the red" simply to make myself more accepted that "IDNs are the future".

Just my opinion though - and as I haven't sleep properly all week, I apologise in advance if this appears to be a personal attack on anyone. ( RD - if it wasn't for you all those years back at DNforums - I would never have known about IDNs - so in that - you do have my thanks )

Alex

[yanni]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

As for what I am allowed to talk about there is very little IDN news at all at the moment. The main event is TRAFFICS and you won't see anything about it there. I think where we go and who we listen to are very valid subjects for discussion, as is the economic situation which inevitably effects us all. As for Guru's, as most domainers seem to follow them, these are valid subjects also. If any of you are not happy about the open nature of the discussion here, then it is you that should GTFOH!

I guess you edited your original post. I just saw this.

I don't believe I told you what you're allowed to talk about. I simply asked for direct answers to direct questions.

Anyway, point taken.

[markits]

Originally Posted by yanni

I'm not angry, I'm simply amazed!

You essentially told me to "piss off" because I was questioning the posts you and Giant made.
Who gave you the right to tell members here what to do? Are you a mod? Part owner?
It would be different if Dave or Steve or Jose told me to go open my own forum.

I was just being more direct in my approach than you. Apologies if I offended you.

yanni
I think you misunderstood Idner here. What Idner was saying is that if you were a forum owner, what you would react whan a owner of another forum on a same topic came to your forum, posting things about his forum, arguing that his forum is better than yours, etc etc.

Idner was not really asking you to open a forum.

[touchring]

I don't see a big fuss here about breaking even or not, it's just whether you want to develop a few names that get indexed traffic, there are those that did with it with japanese once, and got $100 a day for a few mths - enough to finance a 5000 name portfolio during that period.

Neither do i see a fuss over whether you must invest or buy names to become a real domainer.

I do both, i invest also, and i develop.

I think what you do has nothing to do with which forum you should use.

[Giant]

Originally Posted by yanni

I'm not angry, I'm simply amazed!

You essentially told me to "piss off" because I was questioning the posts you and Giant made.
Who gave you the right to tell members here what to do? Are you a mod? Part owner?
....

What's wrong with you?

"吃里爬外" is not acceptable in any forums, even YOU can ask Dave to ban such cowardice behavior. You don't have to be a part owner or a Mod before you can ask. Besides, you don't even understand IDNer's humor!

MJ would ban a member that does a sale at multiforums, we only ban cowardice behavior. That's the difference between wrong and right!

[Rubber Duck]

I don't have a problem with people dabbling rather than committing, but if I am going to spend a lot of time listening to advice, I would expect to receive it from people that have a serious commitment. Olney was treated as a Guru. He never really committed and he would not have half of what he has if I had not bullied him a little. People like that just don't deserve to be revered or made guardians of the sources of information. As with Olney, those that have not committed can just drift away whenever they get bored.

Originally Posted by alexd

Thats one point of view - but what about those that might already have a family to support, mortgage to pay, kids to put through college, etc, etc. If you were able to go into the red and stay there for several years on the basis of your beliefs - good for you.

However, I think its bullsh*t to say that those who don't go into the red, and who don't put their IDNs before family, health and general living, etc, are people who "lack any concept of the game".

I wish I could go absolutely nuts and go and reg 1000 names right now, but for me, there are too many other things that are more important in my life, than struggling financially and being "in the red" simply to make myself more accepted that "IDNs are the future".

Just my opinion though - and as I haven't sleep properly all week, I apologise in advance if this appears to be a personal attack on anyone. ( RD - if it wasn't for you all those years back at DNforums - I would never have known about IDNs - so in that - you do have my thanks )

Alex