Internet Gambling: US fails to appeal WTO Ruling in favor of Antigua

[Rubber Duck]

Well, Tianamen Square is quite a while ago, and China has come an awful long way since then.

China main priorities are economic development and stability, which until this stage of its development are probably actually more important than political reforms. The US has managed to prove in Iraq, exactly how important it is to maintain stability.

Act of extreme repression against its own people has also been part of American recent history, or have you forgotten Mississippi, and you own apartheid systems. And this at a time when the US really had few excuses, and your political system has not undergone radical reform since then. If anything civil liberties have probably been eroded in a quite a number of ways.

I am not suggesting that China should not be pushed towards more political reform, but it needs to be done in a mutually supportive way. Anything that is perceived as external pressure will be fiercely resisted. That is just human nature.

[Burnsinternet]

Ah, there we go.

The civil rights era problems in the US were localized (not federal) and 25 years farther back in time than China's crackdown which happened in 1989. I don't think you can compare the two.

Where the US Federal government sent troops to desegregate and enforce civil rights laws, the Chinese government massacred protesters with its troops. Our country and democratically elected government was firmly against what happened in this country. The Chinese government showed its hand in China. Very different stories.

Some of you go to great lengths to point out how horrible is our President. Your leaders and countries have issues, too. Our country is not alone in Iraq. Our leader is not the only unpopular leader on the planet. However, our leader and his party will be out of office very soon. Our people voted out the representatives and senators. The administration will be history soon.

[Rubber Duck]

The Federal Government was as culpable as anyone else in the events in the South of America. The US still actually still has a poor internal civil rights record. More people are executed in the US than any other Western Democracy even on a per capita basis. Most of them are black. Does it bring a more safe and stable society? Absolutely not because you also have the highest murder rates. This is largely in part due to the mistaken idea that it is a good idea to let everyone wander around with guns.

In terms of development the events in the South really come much later in Americas development than the events in China have come in their escape for Moaism. Tianamen was a turning point and a national disgrace, but all nations go through such events. To pretend that the Chinese are somehow much worse than everyone else is just not credible.

One thing I would note is that the Chinese on the whole even under Mao have rarely shown a desire to invade other countries. Tibet is probably the exception, but their are long historical ties there. It is probably much more akin to the English Scottish situation than it is to Germany entering Poland.

Originally Posted by Burnsinternet

Ah, there we go.

The civil rights era problems in the US were localized (not federal) and 25 years farther back in time than China's crackdown which happened in

. I don't think you can compare the two.

Where the US Federal government sent troops to desegregate and enforce civil rights laws, the Chinese government massacred protesters with its troops. Our country and democratically elected government was firmly against what happened in this country. The Chinese government showed its hand in China. Very different stories.

Some of you go to great lengths to point out how horrible is our President. Your leaders and countries have issues, too. Our country is not alone in Iraq. Our leader is not the only unpopular leader on the planet. However, our leader and his party will be out of office very soon. Our people voted out the representatives and senators. The administration will be history soon.

[Clotho]

Originally Posted by Burnsinternet

Software? Transparency? I was thinking of brutal repression, Tibet, Tiananmen Square....

I see your brutal repression and raise you an overthrowing of a democratically elected government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax

[Burnsinternet]

"Operation Ajax (1953) (officially TP-AJAX) was a covert operation by the United Kingdom and the United States...."

What? You mean the Brits do that stuff, too? OMG! At least they don't invade countries like those crummy Americans.... Such a peaceful history in Britain.

And, what is this I hear about the French in Algeria?

"When in 1945 the Algerian people rioted against the French colonial rule, the French dispatched 400,000 troops to pacify the anti-colonial uprising.[7][8] The French colonial forces launched an air and ground offensive against several eastern cities, particularly Setif and Guelma, in response to the anti-French riots with hundred pied noirs killed. The crackdown lasted several days and according to the Algerian state left 45,000 people dead...."

The Germans & Italians? They went along with recent CIA rendition operations, too. Funny thing is, the prisoners were sent to non-Western countries to be tortured because our governments do not allow that and that would REALLY cross the line. However, countries like Egypt, Morocco, Syria and Jordan have no problem with dreadful human rights abuses. Of course, North Korea tops the list and makes us all look angelic, I think.

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

And the Bush administration has the audacity to attack China over human rights!

Originally Posted by Drewbert

Yes, but the only hard work he's doing is replacing qualified people in all levels of govt with partisan minions whose only qualification is loyalty to his agenda. Just getting rid of him won't be enough to save your country.

I think these are the comments that I originally addressed. Our country is in no need of 'saving' and cracking down on internet gambling cannot be compared to Chinese human rights violations.

Bottom line is that our President is a born-again Christian. He was ushered in by the Evangelical Christian vote and he leaves office next year. The UK will survive the Blair administration and they survived the Thatcher administration. We will be fine, too.

Our nations have made mistakes in the past. Most of our nations learn from those mistakes. Our country is proud, strong, and wounded from this long war. We are self-critical in the USA, but it would be nice to see these DNL threads bash some other country for once.

[Drewbert]

>Bottom line is that our President is a born-again Christian.

I think that was just a vote-getting ploy.

>He was ushered in by the Evangelical Christian vote and he leaves office next year.

But that's my point. The people they've injected into all levels of govt (not JUST the political appointees who "serve at the pleasure of the President) will NOT be leaving at the same time. You need to get this all out in public and have it all reversed BEFORE he leaves office, climbs aboard that jet and hides in Dubai with all his buddies who stripped your treasury. They've appointed immigration judges who are just GoP minions with zero experience in the job. They've infiltrated your science organisations with people who don't respect science.

Sitting back and letting it all carry on, just because he'll be out of office soon and everything will be OK after that, is nothing but a disservice to your constitution and country. You need to be proactive at nipping this in the bud NOW and cleaning these people out immediately.

Send them all down to Gitmo while you're at it.

[Burnsinternet]

The only thing I have to say on this one is that, although it may seem a political ploy, Bush really is an Evangelical. Of course, so was Georgia's Jimmy Carter. However, Baptist Jimmy Carter never invaded a country and did his best to be a good, Christian leader. Our current Commander-in-Chief believes that what he does is Biblically motivated, but many here disagree with his theology.

[Drewbert]

The meek don't want it.

Not in it's current state.

[Burnsinternet]

Too late. IDNers will inherit the earth.

[touchring]

Ajax - isn;t this some new web technology??